Chronically Living and how to make the most of it

Flash From the Past: Pelvic Floor Physio with special guest Queenie Wu

June 14, 2021 Kelsey, Queenie Wu Episode 51
Chronically Living and how to make the most of it
Flash From the Past: Pelvic Floor Physio with special guest Queenie Wu
Show Notes Transcript

In this re-release of episode 5, in this season break I'm calling Flash From the Past, Queenie Wu shares with us all the amazing things pelvic floor physio can do, and gives us ideas for what we can do at home to improve our pelvic floors and overall health, if we can't get to a physiotherapist right away.
In this episode we talk about:

  • what pelvic floor physio is
  • what conditions can benefit (hint: menstrual cramps, pregnancy, prostate cancer, endometriosis)
  • at home tips for chronic health problems

Guest Bio:
Queenie is a pelvic health and orthopaedic physiotherapist who received her Master of Science in Physical Therapy from the University of Toronto after completing her undergraduate studies with honours and high distinction at the University of Toronto (in psychology and human biology). She is also a certified clinical hypnotist and holds a Status-Only Appointment (lecturer ranking) with the Department of Physical Therapy at the University of Toronto.

In addition to her clinical work, Queenie promotes mindful movement and living as a social media influencer (find @QueeniePhysio on Instagram, YouTube or any other platform) through educational posts and video content on physiotherapy, mind-body wellness, stress management and more. She serves as a speaker at wellness workshops, conferences and various university panels. She is also a lead facilitator for the Interfaculty Pain Curriculum at the University of Toronto, which is an integrated and interdisciplinary pain curriculum for all pre-licensure health science students.

More information about Queenie can be found on her website https://Queeniephysio.com/ and her Instagram/YouTube/Facebook/Twitter channels @QueeniePhysio. Her clinical practice is located in Cloud Rehab and Wellness in Toronto, Canada.

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Kelsey Harris:

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Queenie Wu:

Thanks for having me. It's my pleasure. All right, cool.

Kelsey Harris:

So I'm gonna if you want to just give us like a brief background about yourself and your practice and what you do?

Queenie Wu:

Well, first of all, thank you so much for inviting me to speak Kelsey, and you are an amazing client of mine as well. So a bit about my background, I work in orthopedics, pelvic health, so basically, I just see anything from head to toe physio therapist, but my perspective, also comes in with my psychology background, because I studied that during undergrad studies, and pretty much looking at the whole person and taking that holistic point of view. Because, you know, if I just look at a body area, that's impossible, because, you know, it's a person coming in with different experiences a different lifestyle, you know, the mental health aspect is very important. If you are unable to understand people and really connect with people personally, I don't think it's possible to help that person fully heal, right and be able to get back to meaningful activities. So that's kind of my perspective on working with clients as a physiotherapist kind of taking that holistic perspective and looking at the mental Mind Body aspects. Things that I do, there's a lot I do on social media, as you know, so a lot of stuff on Instagram, I'm really just trying to share my knowledge and really focus on enabling people and empowering people to be more proactive with their health, because a lot of the time, we only seek help when something wrong happens, right when we start feeling pain or when we get injured. But I really want to get people to really think about things and being more mindful before something happens so that you can do a lot of things to prevent, you know, lots of time and money spent on feeling bad. So yeah, so lots of social media stuff, clinical work. And then I also do teaching some teaching at U of T. And right now, I'm also doing some planning for creating courses for physiotherapists online. So that's actually a newer engagement that I'm doing. So teaching at the University of Toronto with students, but now also a little bit more on potentially teaching other physio therapists on new skills as well.

Kelsey Harris:

That's so cool. I really I really appreciate the holistic view, of course, because I'm also taking psychology as a master's program. So I really think that the body mind connections, such a really huge important thing. Cool. So you know, most people think about going to physio after an injury, I think that's just general like thing everybody thinks, but what kinds of health conditions can benefit from Visio.

Queenie Wu:

So with chronic health conditions, so actually I like to use the term persistent more than chronic because sometimes when I when people come in and they're like, Oh, yeah, like I have chronic low back pain, and it just sounds like it's something that will never go away. Right? So when I use the term persistent, it's really meaning more, you know, it's conditions that lasts longer than usual, or the expected amount of time, but it can definitely change and improve immensely, right. And I think to me, there's always something that we can do to improve and change things. Because our brains can change and make new connections every day, right? There are new ways that we move, the new ways that we think it builds new connections in our brains. So to answer your question, I really can't think of any specific, like persistent or chronic health condition that can't benefit from physio therapy, because as a physiotherapist, especially with the psychology, the meditation, I also do hypnosis in yoga with clients, there's, there's always something that I can do to improve a client's symptoms, and their quality of life, any condition pretty much affecting movement, muscles, bones, joints, tissues, like mobility, daily function, strength, flexibility, from head to toe, whether it's stress or lifestyle diet, there's something of value that I can add to my clients. So yes, I really can't think of anything specifically that can't. And I think physio alone sometimes may be the answer when it's not. I can also point my clients to the right resources, or other colleagues who can help as well.

Kelsey Harris:

Oh, that's awesome. Um, you know, lately, you've been talking about, you've been mentioning when we've had our sessions, the benefits of pelvic floor physio, I'm gonna get more information about what the pelvic floor is. And, you know, like, what public for physio, is

Queenie Wu:

for sure. And I love that you're asking about pelvic health, because I think not enough people know about it. I think I also introduced this topic to you, right? When we were in our sessions, or did you hear about it before?

Kelsey Harris:

During our sessions a couple times you mentioned it?

Queenie Wu:

Yeah. So yeah, the pelvic floor pretty much these are muscles that are stretching from the back of your tailbone, all the way to the front of your pubic bone. So all the muscles there, and these muscles are hidden inside of you. So in men and women, unlike you know, your biceps, you can actually see it and touch it. So that's why not many of us talk about it. And some of we may not even know that it exists, right? Like, frankly, before I studied physiotherapy, I didn't never heard of the pelvic floor before. So it's very normal. If, like, whoever's listening to this podcast right now does not know what it is. Because unless it starts causing problems for you, you may not realize how much it actually does for you every day. So to help my clients bring awareness or actually feel their pelvic floors, I usually ask them, and Kelsey Feel free to do this with me is imagine let's say you're in the elevator, and you want to pass gas, but it's very awkward. So now you're trying to hold in that guess. So if you imagine that feeling, that's your pelvic floor working for you. All right, okay. And then let's say, you know, right now, you really need to go to the washroom and pee, but like there's no washroom, so you're trying to hold it in. Again, that's your pelvic floor, engaging to keep things in. Okay? So those are two examples. But similarly, in the opposite direction, when you are passing guess when you're maybe having a bowel movement, when you go pee your pelvic floor muscles are allowing you to do that as well. Another example, if you tried to cough, so if you just do like, you should actually feel a bit of pressure pushing down and then a pressure pushing up. So your pelvic floor is also doing that. So even when you cough, you can it's working for you. So yeah, so those are some ways to at least let people know, you know, that's what it feels like, right? Because otherwise, like, what am I talking about? Right. And then there's also the diagrams and stuff that can be used to show people where it is grown, but more specifically, five important functions of the pelvic floor, it helps support your organs up against gravity, it helps control the opening and closing of all the openings down below. So you know, allowing us to pee poop and you know, give birth vagina for females, sexual function, and also stability. So sometimes with back pain, hip pain or pelvic pain, it's actually because of dysfunction in the pelvic floor. Because when your pelvic floor is working, it actually takes off the load from your spine and your hip joints, right. So when they're not working well for you, it can contribute to those symptoms, right. And also another function ism it actually helps maintain like the blood flow and the lymphatic flow in that area. So lots of functions. Oh,

Kelsey Harris:

yeah. Yeah. And when so what what is pelvic floor physio? Exactly then? What would you do with a client

Queenie Wu:

so With pelvic floor physiotherapy, it really depends on, you know, what symptoms people come in with. And it involves a lot of components, right? So, more specifically, are you asking like, what kind of treatments I would do with clients?

Kelsey Harris:

Okay, well, let's start with this. What kind of what kind of illnesses or health problems would people come in with when it's really on the

Queenie Wu:

floor? Right? So, I mean, the list of actual, like, diagnoses can go on for a while, because there's actually a lot, and it's just, you know, lots of medical terms as well. But I think I'll talk about some common ones that I see in practice, and mainly talk about symptoms that people may pay attention to instead, because I think that's when it's like, oh, if I feel this way, that's not normal, actually. And that's when I should see a pelvic physio, right. And so, I would say with the conditions, keep in mind that there's also diagnostic tests, blood work, and other tests that are done to rule in and rule out other diseases. But these are some symptoms that people may experience or some common ones, right. So even so for a lot of females who get painful period cramps, they usually tell me that it's normal, or, you know, it's just Oh, like, I have to live with it. But the truth is, physio pelvic physiotherapy can help with painful period cramps, and it's actually not normal, when it's painful to the point where people can't stand up, like they can't go to work, if they faint, or, you know, if they need medicine, to help with it. Those cases are not normal.

Kelsey Harris:

That's interesting, because actually, I birth control pills specifically, because my, my cramps are usually so bad. And that was the only thing I found that helped them. So I should maybe we should be doing.

Queenie Wu:

I know, I know. That's like that. That's the thing, like, a lot of people think it's normal, right? But it's actually not. So depending on the cause of it. Or obviously, you'll kind of delve into more questions asking and doing the physical exam as well, right. But depending on what the causes, there may be specific strategies, treatments, exercises that can help to ease those symptoms. So that, you know, maybe, in some cases, you may not need medication, or you know, you're able to function and go to work, right? Because I know people who take time off work because of how painful it is. Or it could be quite debilitating. And a lot of people just say, yeah, it's normal. So it's not normal. Yeah. Yeah. So we will chat more about it. Another case is pain during or after sex. Sex is a general term. So it could be pain with touching or stimulation on the outside. It could be pain with penetration intercourse, it could be pain with orgasms, right? So it's just a general term, but if there's pain with sex, or after sex, another case our bladder problems. So some diagnoses, people may have heard of bladder Pain Syndrome, interstitial cystitis, but more generally, if it's talking about problems with the bladder, it's incontinence. So that's just a fancy term for basically, let's say, if you cough, sneeze, laugh, jump or exercise or physically exert yourself, you can't hold in your feet, some of it comes up another cases like you have to go to the washroom, but you can't hold it at all. Like you have to go right away. Right, you can't hold it, you can't delay it. That's also a bladder problem, when you wake up at nighttime to go to the bathroom more than once. So you have to wake up multiple times to go to the bathroom. When you sleep, when you go to the bathroom more than eight times a day. What else is there so also if you have burning or pain or trouble when you try to pee, that's also a common symptom of pelvic floor dysfunction. bowel problems, like if there's chronic constipation, there's something that I can do to educate and teach my clients. Obviously, again, as I was saying, There's tests that have to be done to rule out certain things or rule in certain things. But let's say everything comes back negative. pelvic physio can definitely help with a chronic constipation if there's pain during or after bowel movements, right with IBS. That's a very common one. Mental pause, like honestly, this list is quite long. So pause right like a lot of women. They experience bladder symptoms, pain, dryness, genital pain. endometriosis is a common one. nerve pain in the pelvic region. In men, let's talk a little bit more about men as well because not many people talk about it, I would say for men or they may not even know that pelvic physio is an option, right? So men can also have pelvic pain, penile or testicular pain, they can have process to Titus if it's not related to bacteria, pelvic physio can actually help If they have prostate cancer or any surgery around the prostate or pelvic areas, they benefit from pelvic floor physiotherapy as well.

Kelsey Harris:

Wow Yeah, like you said, everything.

Queenie Wu:

Yeah, it's it's a lot. And also, as I was saying earlier, like hip pain, low back pain, a lot of that could be related to pelvic floor dysfunction as well. And a lot of people with low back pain actually have the incontinence symptoms that I talked about earlier. So lots of things are associated, right. And then finally, a little more common one that people know about would be pregnancy or preparation for pregnancy, education, and then after pregnancy, because pregnancy is a lot on the body. And sometimes people go right back to workouts and yoga and stuff, and it's too much too soon. So usually, sometimes they come back a few months later, a year later, and they're like, Whoa, like, I'm having all these symptoms, but it's because right after birth, you really need to have the proper rehab to strengthen from the inside, before going into those. pence workouts. Right. So

Kelsey Harris:

that's so interesting, because

Queenie Wu:

most of it, there's, there's more.

Kelsey Harris:

I've never heard anybody talk about that after pregnancy before. Like, yeah, everybody I know. It's just like, yeah, we'll just work out again, and just do all that no one's ever like, yeah, I actually need to go like do some pelvic floor physio.

Queenie Wu:

Or you think about it, like it's a long process, right? All the pushing and like the whole, it's trauma to the body, right? So you can't just go back to those things without actually, you know, doing the proper strengthening of the pelvic floor before you go to your intense back to your intense activities.

Kelsey Harris:

That make sense. So obviously, there's a lot of different health problems. So how common like how often do people come in to your practice in the pelvic floor physio.

Queenie Wu:

So I would say, as you were saying, a lot of people don't know about it, or like they never heard about it. But the good thing is, I'm noticing that more people are like they've heard of pelvic floor physiotherapy. Now, obviously, there's still a lot of education that can be done, which is why I actually plan to post more videos on my social media relating to this just to educate the public about it. But I would say it's very common to see clients with pelvic floor dysfunction. And then, but the other on the other hand, the biggest problem is that a lot of people either think it's normal, or they don't know it's actually a problem, right? Like, I have a lot of women who after pregnancy, they tell me they leak when they cough or sneeze, but they think it's normal, because they're like, Oh, yeah, everything's looser after pregnancy. But I'm like, No, that's actually not something you have to live with. And so it's very common. I often talk about pelvic floor physiotherapy, even for people who may or may not need it, because that way, at least some questions come up. And then also you Oh, I think you actually should have pelvic physio, you should consider it because otherwise they may not know, right? So I do have clients who come in knowing that they're coming in for pelvic physio. And then I also have clients, we kind of work together. And then we kind of delve into more lifestyle and other questions. And eventually, we're like, oh, maybe this is something that we should actually look into, because it's actually contributing to either your current symptoms or some other things that are going on.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm. And can you tell us a bit about some of the ways that you would work with pelvic floor issues? Like what are some of the I mean, I, it's kind of hard on a podcast, he's you can't really demonstrate, but you got to give us an example?

Queenie Wu:

Yeah, that's a great question. Because I think sometimes people just don't know what to expect from pelvic physio as well. Right? So typically, I would say it's actually, I'll just go down the order of what I usually what I would usually do with my clients, so first of all, in any case, education, right, they need to know what it is just like earlier, I was saying, like, what does it feel like? Or you have to know what we're even talking about before I can talk about how to treat it, right? So and also just knowing what the cause is of a condition or of pain, it really calms the fears, the anxieties that helplessness, right, some people come in, and they have, like, what, 510 years not knowing anything, what's going on with the body and just knowing what's going on, it really helps calm and manage their symptoms already. Okay, so also educating on like, what I can do to help but also what the client needs to do, because, as you probably know, right, like I'm just to guide my clients, for the most part, like the client has to do most of the hard work. physio is not passive, right? So it's kind of giving them those expectations as well. Second would be lifestyle changes, right? We talk about sleep, we talk about diet, fluid intake, habits, posture, and then after that, we'll be focusing on self help strategy. So what can the client do? Right, because obviously, I can do things but what can the client client do to get better as well? It's very empowering when they know that they can take control. And they can also do things to help treat themselves, right? Even for bladder symptoms, bladder training, how can what habits can they start implementing into their lifestyle so that they can train their bladder, establishing the mind body connection, because most of the time, as I was saying, it's not just a body part, right? The nervous system is involved, the mental health is involved. If you're not relaxed all the time, like everything tenses up, your muscles start tensing up, right if you have very faulty thoughts and unhealthy beliefs about things that affects your physical symptoms, so kind of addressing the mind body connection, as well, obviously, as a physio, exercise movement, coaching the proper movements and stretches and encouraging the appropriate physical activity to help people heal while moving. And then getting a bit more into the hands on part would be the external and internal hands on assessment. Externally, we'll still do the usual like we're looking at the hip, the back, you know, everything on the outside to the soft tissue, connective tissues, but then also the internal assessment, something that people would want to know about is that checking the muscles inside, right? So if you have a painful arm, and I never touch your arm, you know, I can still work on things. But there's a component that we're not working on, right. So being able to assess the muscles on the inside to going vaginally and rectally, for females, and going rectally, for males, to see you know, are there painful tissues inside what's tight, what's weak. And then that way we can figure out what hands on treatment you may need, what stretching is appropriate, and also teaching ways to strengthen as well, if needed, right? Some people do, they're always doing strengthening, but if it's already very tight and painful, and you strengthen it, it's actually terrible. You can't do that. And then if it's very weak, and you're stretching it more than it's gonna get weaker, right? So you really have to figure out what you're dealing with before you can actually properly

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Queenie Wu:

But I would say like, you know, with COVID 19, especially, I've been seeing pelvic clients both virtually like online and also in person. So both platforms are effective. It really As I was saying, like there's so many things that I listed either way, like some component can help with the symptoms, right, obviously with we have everything excellent, but I have clients who, you know, we do certain components and then some there. So it really depends on the person, but the combination depends on the client depends on preferences depends on you know what we can do right now.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I actually got to say I really enjoyed virtual physio. I mean, definitely would be nice having somebody hands on stuff again, but it's Yeah, no,

Queenie Wu:

I was surprised it was a lot better than I anticipated. So that's, that's great that you can work on Florida, different conditions that way, for sure, for sure. And I'm glad that you know, you're sharing your experience as well, because I think part of it is it's so new for our field. Right? All right. A lot of people are just scared or they just don't know what to expect, right? So hearing it from your voice, I think really helps listeners or people who may potentially be interested in virtual physio, whether or not sure so

Kelsey Harris:

yeah, that's good. That's I mean, like, I'm glad that hopefully that does help people. Um, for so for people who can't afford to go to physio, what are some at home tips you can give for them, both for the pelvic floor, but just in general, if they have, you know, chronic pain or anything like that, what are some things that are working they go to get some information.

Queenie Wu:

So I think that's a great Question. Because, you know, cost does come into play, like that's something that I do talk to my clients about because I can have the most amazing treatment plan. But then if my client tells me I can only come in twice, then I have to problem solve, right? So I'm very, you know, I honestly, I just asked my clients, you know, is this realistic for you? Right. But in terms of going to answer your question, so first of all, to avoid going to physio, let's see. So I would say yeah, like, I think, honestly, my social media platform was created, partly for that reason. Because I do post free content on physiotherapy, mind body wellness, self care tips, I think it's like one of the huge reasons I started the channel is to share the self help strategies, to share knowledge, focus on helping people prevent illness in the first place. Because if people take good care of themselves on a daily basis, move and live more mindfully that already reduces our risk for illness and injury by a lot. Right? Obviously, sometimes, like even doing all that we still get sick, we still get hurt. It's a normal part of life. But I would say, there's definitely a lot of like free online content, but we just have to be critical and careful who you listen to online as well, just to make sure that they're credible people, because there's also a lot of incorrect content online, right? I have clients who comment, I'm doing this video I learned on YouTube, and I'm like, stop doing that, please. So it kind of depends, right? So just be mindful that online content is not specifically tailored to you, and taking things with a grain of salt. And never, it's just for general education purposes, right? You can't ever replace your need for advice from your own healthcare practitioner, and it can replace your need to actually get an assessment or treatment. But in terms of very practical tips that I can think of two are there for pelvic physio, or any type of physio condition, taking good care of ourselves? How do we do that first sleeping enough, most people do not sleep enough. And sleeping allows her body to heal. And you know, it's like how you charge your phone all the time, right? You need to charge recharge yourself. So I'm actually posting a bunch of videos on sleep the next few weeks, because sleep is really a necessity. It's not a commodity. And obviously, sometimes people know that sleep is important, but they have trouble with sleep. So that's why I'll share some like tips on how to actually improve sleep if you're struggling with sleep. Sleep Number one, number two, eating well, right, a lot of the time we eat processed foods, I feel like after COVID people have been eating more at home healthier. But yeah, you know, eating whole foods, home cooked foods, foods that actually give us nutrients, right. Next would be movement movement as medicine, we know that. But also moving mindfully, is I get a lot of clients coming in doing the wrong exercises, or they're compensating right? So we're knowing how like moving mindfully to do that, you know, if you're really tight, you're not working out that muscle more. But if you're very weak, you're not stretching it more. So obviously, sometimes in that case, you know, you may need some guidance from a physio for like a session or so just to figure out what you're doing that you should be doing. Right. But that's a very limited cause, right? If you keep doing something wrong, versus if you just learn the right thing to do.

Kelsey Harris:

That makes sense.

Queenie Wu:

Yeah. So moving mindfully, and then I would say relaxation, routine. That's so important, because a lot of them were just so tight, like we're so what's next was an extreme stress, stress, stress, everything's like that, right? Even right now, when we turn on the news, everything is stressful, related, crazily, this many cases are, you know, so we just really need to have a routine that grounds us and, you know, just breathe and recharge and allow us to recover. Right. And I think it's just important to find something that you can do that makes you feel good, and you genuinely genuinely enjoy to do those things. So, you know, some people are like, Oh, you know, yoga, but Yoga is not for everyone, right? So maybe dance, maybe music, maybe chatting with a friend walking, swimming, like you just find something that you enjoy to do. It doesn't have to be what other people are doing. But you know, like research actually shows that when we have more positive emotions, it actually helps us combat illness, you get fewer colds, and you live longer. Right, that we enjoy. And finally, I think, connecting with people, you know, we're social creatures. And right now it's like, well, we socially distance but we can still do video calls, we can still see people in person, but like edit distance phone calls. So I would say those are like the main tips I would give just taking good care of ourselves by eating well sleeping while moving mindfully relaxing and really calming our bodies and our minds and doing things that we enjoy and connecting with people. Like honestly those I think can really avoid a lot of it. illnesses already and with any type of persisting pain condition really need to do these things as

Kelsey Harris:

well. Yeah, I love that because I think those are just good things to do to like live a good life in general whether or not or pain or illness, I think like if you're if you're healthy, you should be doing those things. For sure.

Queenie Wu:

If you think about it, like how many people are not doing those things, there, we really don't. Those things are usually at the bottom of the list of our to dues, right, whenever, like, even I work with a lot of students and sleep is the first thing to go. And like eating Oh, just, you know, just force it down and keep studying or, and then exercise Nope, doesn't happen. Right? You're sitting in front of the computer the whole day. So that definitely, it seems like it's a very simple list. But not many of us actually do it.

Kelsey Harris:

Right? Totally Make sense? Yeah, actually,

Queenie Wu:

there's one more thing I can think of is really, you know, have having that knowledge kind of learning about your condition and what you're dealing with right reading, learning. And even for listeners of this podcast, you're already ahead of the game, because you're, you're trying to learn and know what's going on. And when you know, you can know who you should go to when you should seek help, right? Because if you don't even have the awareness that something wrong is happening, or who you should go to, that's already a big problem. Right? A lot of the time people come in years after a problem starts, it will definitely take months and years to get better. Right. versus if you address something earlier, it would, it would be earlier that you can resolve it as well.

Kelsey Harris:

Right? Yeah, that totally makes sense. Cool. So you've mentioned a couple times the body mind connection. And I know, that I have often talked about, so can you elaborate a bit on it from the physio perspective?

Queenie Wu:

So yeah, I think I did mention a couple times. But obviously, from my physio perspective, and maybe different from another physios perspective, because I have mixed in my own personal background of injuries, my own health struggles, my experiences, my psychology stuff, you know, I've been meditating for over seven years. And I'm also a hypnotist as well. So the mind body connection in my practice, is basically, you know, as I was saying, You can't just treat the area that people come in for it's not that simple, right? If a good example is if my client is not motivated, they may not even come in anymore to see me. Right? They may just give up as Oh, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. How can they get better? Right, I need to understand what motivates them. You know, what the exercise is, if I recommend them, and they hate all of it, they're like, I don't even know why I'm doing this, they won't do it. Right. If they don't understand the importance of the changes in lifestyle, again, it won't happen physio won't work for them, right. So I think it's very important to connect with the clients and actually understand and help them understand why it's important and how we can do it together to get better. So mind body cannot separate it right. Another great example is if you're very stressed and anxious, like if you I like to ask my clients, if you imagine a bear running after you, you're probably going to start tensing up, right? Similarly, if you're stressed the entire day, the entire week, the entire month, like no doubt, something's gonna build up and you're gonna have pain or tension somewhere. Right? So or if the opposite version, if you physically exhaust yourself every day and you're totally fatigued, you have no energy, how can you concentrate? How can you think you have no mental resources to do anything? Right? So mind body, always linked together will never be separated?

Kelsey Harris:

No, the stress one's a good example because I noticed that when I'm more stressed, my body pain is way worse than if I relax. And it's like, it's not like the pin goes away, whatever lots it's just it's not as intense. So yeah, like definitely, I I've seen and I'm sure a lot of listeners have seen in themselves as well that that how our mood is and and our reactions really play into how we feel.

Queenie Wu:

Definitely, definitely,

Kelsey Harris:

especially one final question for you. So how do you inspire your clients to live an amazing life?

Queenie Wu:

Well, I would say like First of all, I have to do what I preach. Because I think you know, if I say something and then I go do the opposite like my contemplating, you know, who are you, I don't trust you or anything. So, I think to inspire people, you first have to do what you believe or what you say is true. And you have to you know, you have to live it out yourself first as an example. And obviously sharing what I know with my clients, you know, whether online or in person sharing my experiences, again, social media that can reach a wider audience and population and with my clients individually, just being creepy. Have an exploring new ways these as I was saying, one thing may work very well for one person, but another person may find it very boring. And like, how can I help them find their most amazing, new for whatever it is, if I can't help them explore what's possible, right. And I think another thing is just knowing that none of us are alone in this, a, we all have bad days, we all get hurt, it just depends on the degree of the hurt, right. And it's always an ongoing process. It's part of our life journey. You know, it's not like, Oh, this person is so amazing on Instagram, they have their sad days to write. And I would say, sometimes when we get injured, I have a lot of client, like, I've worked with a lot of people. And sometimes the injury is the opportunity for growth for that person. Like they, they get better. And they're like, wow, I'm actually glad that happened. Because they actually, they're, they're a different person after the injury. And for some of us, it's actually a wake up call. It's like, Okay, it's time to take better care of myself, because, you know, I've been neglecting all of this. And now, this is happening. So I think it'd be I'm trying to inspire my clients by being open to try new strategies, new treatments, assessment approaches with them, and really tried to live my life so that I can infect other people with that motivation and positivity as well. And also empowering my clients to just explore new ways of doing things, new ways of moving. And even for people who are like, oh, like, everything's hopeless, right? Trying to give them that bit of light to know that, you know, it's still possible to live an amazing a meaningful life. Yeah, so I love my job.

Kelsey Harris:

Amazing,

Queenie Wu:

all our big way that I can help. I think that's, that's my amazing life for me, when people are able to go back to doing meaningful things, actually going back to, like affording physio I think another thing is that, I would say most of us have probably changed our spending habits since COVID. Right? And, you know, a lot of us are a lot more financially strange compared to before, if not like before, if you're already strained, but I think if something is really a necessity, for not, maybe not for everyone, but most people I would say can still afford those expenses, when it's considered a necessity necessity. Would you agree? So I would say, you know, like, before, pre COVID, I would say, you know, how much do you spend on coffee or meetups or eating out for lunch and dinner? Right? So I guess like physio, it could be expensive. But again, if you think of it in that context, it may not be that expensive, right. So I think it really depends on, you know, where you're choosing to put the money like, Are you his health, your necessity? are you investing in that, you know, if it's worth it to you, and if you know that it works for you, then, you know, that's maybe something that you should prioritize? Right. And I was, as I was saying, if you address it earlier, it's always better than waiting, waiting in the mind body, everything kind of becomes a cycle and just gets worse, right? So treating things earlier than waiting.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, no, I love that. You said that. Because I agree. I think that budgeting and planning and just knowing like, hey, these are the things that work for me, and I have X amount of dollars and X amount of time, and how do I make the things that I really need to get done for my health get done. And so like for me, obviously things like physio and I see a chiropractor, and your naturopath and i and i do have good health insurance, which is very helpful. But I also know that I can only go like X amount of times in a year. So like, how do I space that out? And for sure, obviously, with the COVID. Now I can like use it all year. But But yeah, I think it's important for anybody whether or not you have insurance, just to to make sure yeah, like you said, if it's a priority, then you know, you should probably take that, you know, however much money it is and spend it on that on your health. Sure,

Queenie Wu:

for sure. And I think now with COVID, it's probably more obvious than ever that without your health, you can't really do much. Rarely if you don't have your health, right. So it's certainly something that we need to pay attention to. And it's just, it's just so important. Like I see so many people of different ages. They're like they can't focus because things hurt or like Yeah, yeah, it's very important to

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, sure. And where can we find you on social media? If I'm sure everybody listening is now like, Really? You can find me on all the tips you're going to give us? Yes, so

Queenie Wu:

I'm mainly most active on Instagram. You can find me at Queenie. physio, qu e, e p h, y si Oh my goodness. How do you spell physio? You can also check out my website Queeny physio.com. And if you have questions or like if you want to consult with me, you can also email me Queenie, physio at gmail. dot com but everything's on my social media accounts on Instagram and

Kelsey Harris:

my website as well. Awesome. Awesome. Cool. Well, thank you so, so much for coming on. I am so glad you got to share all this knowledge with us. But maybe I'll even have you back again sometime if you like. Yeah, totally awesome. All right. There again, thanks. There is a reason that is one of my favorite episodes. So many great takeaways, things you can do at home, literally done plus pelvic floor physio with Queenie after we recorded that episode. And it was so great. I mean, it's a little invasive, at first feels a little weird, but like, so great for just relieving things like menstrual cramps, and of course, all the other things she talks about. I am of course getting ready to launch Season Two of the show. So I've got just a couple of these little flash from the past episodes for you in between. Hopefully, you're enjoying them learning a bit more. If you guys can just subscribe rate and review are really appreciated. And of course you can get a copy of my ebook if you leave a review on iTunes. So keep making the most of it, guys.