Chronically Living and how to make the most of it

Improving Our Self-Care Game with special guest Calum McGuigan

January 10, 2021 Kelsey, Calum McGuigan Season 1 Episode 29
Chronically Living and how to make the most of it
Improving Our Self-Care Game with special guest Calum McGuigan
Show Notes Transcript

This episode is a topical discussion about self-care. "Absence of mental illness does not equate mental wellness." I'm joined by Calum McGuigan, the founder of the self-care and personal development app, Shape and Foster, to talk about self-care and how this app can help.
In this episode we talk about:

  • 6 pillars of self-care
  • why self-care is important
  • what Shape and Foster is all about and how it can help you

As of today (January 11, 2021) the annual membership of Shape and Foster was changed to $99 USD for the year, for $14.99 US monthly.

Guest Bio:

Calum McGuigan is originally from Scotland, and now lives in Canada. He is the founder of the app Shape and Foster. Previously he was the President of Fervent Events. Calum is passionate about personal development and growth.
Sign up for the free 14-day trial of Shape & Foster at https://www.shapeandfoster.com/

Kelsey Harris:

Welcome to the chronically living and how to make the most of it podcast. I'm Kelsey Harris, a chronic pain warrior here to inspire hope and strength to the spoony community, get ready to lift each other up and find ways to live the best life possible. Hey, everyone, thank you for tuning in to this week's episode. I hope everyone is doing well. This week, I have a bit of a different episode for you. I have the founder of a really cool self care type app called shape and foster to talk to you about this amazing product. And, you know, I'm a huge fan of self care, as you probably all know, and I think it's really important to try out some different apps and, and different ways to foster self care and improve it. So Carolyn McGuigan is going to be talking to us about his amazing app. And hopefully, it's something you guys can, you know, take a look at a free trial and, and improve your self care game because as spoonies, we definitely need to make sure we're on top of that. So here's the interview. Hi, Callum, welcome to the show. Thank you for coming on to talk about this amazing app of yours called shape and foster.

Calum McGuigan:

Thank you very much for having me. I'm really excited to be here and always nice to meet new people. I mean, I think that's one of the coolest things about being on a podcast is the opportunity to meet somebody completely new. So looking forward to our conversation, Kelsey,

Kelsey Harris:

totally Actually, that's what I love about podcasting is that I get to talk to different people every week. So this is really cool. So you have this, this really cool app that I mentioned, called cheap and foster. So I've gotten the chance to play with it the last couple weeks. But I was wondering if you could give us kind of an overview of what this app is.

Calum McGuigan:

Yeah, for sure. So I mean, essentially, like a little bit of background just to kind of start at the beginning with myself so and I, I'm from Scotland, I moved to Canada 13 years ago, and I started my own business 11 years ago called Fairburn, advanced and advanced marketing agency. And essentially, I loved it at the very, very start. And in the last two years, I kind of stopped enjoying my work. And we had some success. I mean, the business was listed twice on the growth 500, like Canada's fastest growing company list. So we had some great success, but I just kind of stopped, really enjoy it, to be honest, I do have like, Who's impacted and wasn't impacted. A massive like quick service restaurant came to us with it with a big budget and a big marketing campaign, we would have grabbed it, if a big tobacco company came, we would have worked on it. But I mean, who that impacted, it had been detrimental to people essentially. Right. So that was kind of played on my mind a bit last few years. And I then kind of on a personal development journey of my own. And the last year and a half of Kenna started to prioritize family more and get fit again, and drink less alcohol, lots lots of little things. I'm just kind of put in place I've kind of been on my own like lifestyle development journey, so to speak. COVID struck and my business and suffered like a lot of businesses dead. I saw that basically as a kind of culmination of this journey I'd been on because I wasn't enjoying my work to get out of the business when I actually sold my business in July of 2020. And all Canada's happened at the same time, this this personal development journey I've been on. And this cannot want to continue to learn and continue to get on not sure this development I'm going through, I thought you know what, other people need that as well. So much of lifestyles retroactive. And why not make our proactive lifestyle development up? So that's essentially what got me to the creation of shaping Foster. And the idea that I want to continue to learn, I want to continue to develop, I'm sure most of all people do. So I usually create proactive, like, building up.

Kelsey Harris:

Very cool. Um, I am similarily been on a personal development journey the last couple years. So I definitely appreciate everybody else who's gone on that and, and then what you've done to try to help other people is really cool. So this app, I kind of viewed as kind of as like a self care app.

Calum McGuigan:

Totally. I agree. I mean, I think that same, I think like the best way you can describe it, I hope I'm kind of pitching it, so to speak as an actionable emcee. So that's the kind of key term and that's what I think really does, like justify what we're trying to do. I mean, just again up, give a quick synopsis for your listeners. It's essentially a lifestyle development app. Also available in web browser, and you pay for a membership, and in turn, you're taking a 12 month journey of lifestyle development from six experts. Each of these experts and I contracted to curate courses specifically for chicken pasta and all the steps on it. Important to maintain your fitness, nutrition, mental wellness, a life coach finance and your gut. Every 30 days, new course material becomes available. And all content is usually consumed via video. So the videos by every expert every month, in 20 minutes in length. So you've basically got to consume two to three hours of video a month to kind of be nurtured by six different professionals. So that key terrible actionable insight, poor practices that you're going to be opened up to look like a piece of habits look like tidbits of information, and that you can you can insert into your own life and make a habit and do over the long term ones. It's not a it's not a join next up and be your best self in four weeks. That's not that's not going to happen. It's not a short term fix. And it's not a short term promise. It's about joining being part of a community as that as a massive community aspect to learning along the way. And successfully and forming some new habits.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, yeah, very cool. And just so everybody knows, like, like I said, I've gotten a chance to play with the app a bit. And the the course content is really, really good. You're welcome. And like, I felt like even so the first one I did was the the mental wellness with the therapist. And, and I took did that one first because I'm doing a master's in counseling psychology. So I was like, I want to see what, what the

Calum McGuigan:

you want. You want to see, is this. Is this real? Is this real? Or is? Or is this a surface level stuff? Yeah, totally. I appreciate it.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, exactly. And, and the month, one course was great. I felt like I had some takeaways from it. And, you know, I, for someone who's studying that, I think that's Yeah,

Calum McGuigan:

I I totally agree. And it's funny, you mentioned that because I my kind of like creating this platform and going through this whole process. I mean, you get to a point, you're when you're creating a new business, that you're so far down the path, that there's really no turning back, right. So I've created this whole thing of hire people who have got the wheels are in motion and apps in created. But it was actually when I started to watch I mean, obviously the experts put forward their content, here's what here's what we would do. And I selected I interviewed a bunch of them experience for these possessions. So I'm the one that can track them. I had a rough idea of what what each journey was going to look like. But the first video I actually watched as well, was tiny to silver, the mental wellness experience month one. So that was the first video that I watched. And that moment was for me personally validation. It was like, Yes, it was like this is going to do exactly what I'm hoping it's going to do. And may more with her video was she talks about the drill down method. And if you if you're upset about something, often you should ask yourself five times why upset about it and try and drill down a little bit deeper every single time. And when you get that fifth table, often, it's not that surface level the first day, maybe get an argument with somebody in that first time you think, Oh, well, they're that sort of thing. And then you go deeper to go deeper, and you go deeper. And then you get that fifth time. It's like, well, I only thought I was asleep last night and I'm not in a good mood. And you go to bed earlier, whatever it may be. It's not that surface level. So I was watching that one, one video. And it's funny you mention that because that for me was like validation that actually was like, This is what after return like I mean, easy as it is that install that in real life. I have since I've been like, upset once or twice and have asked myself a few times. So it's kind of cool that you can that you're picking up this information and SMC

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, exactly. And then like she she, um, emphasizes that a lot. One month, kind of the beginning of the program is understanding your emotions and really getting into deeper and how you're feeling which so many people just overlook or take for granted or like you said are just very surface level on that. Yeah,

Calum McGuigan:

yeah, totally. And all the programs are really the same. I mean, and what I shouldn't say same, but they always they're all very holistic. That all started at the beginning. And they're taking you on this on this journey. So the financial expert, for example, I don't know if you've had a chance yet to watch her month one, harm one per month one is Shinobu. month one is understanding your money mindset. So it's basically goes back into your childhood, and how your appearance and kind of talked about money because a lot of that is inherited to you. So to start at the very, very beginning, every every single expert can does that which is really cool. So our financial Talk about that get financially fit, and managing debt invest in home purchases, and nutrition looks at small changes you can make your life easier recipes, festivals, mental health, political life balance audit, you know, mind body connection, life coach looks the essence of survival working through self sabotage and so on and so on. And the okina start at the very beginning and take you through to the end of it. And the best example is really starts month one is understanding your money mindset. And once 12th is like month 12 isn't the best. I mean, that's really uh, that's really all I start to finish all right there, you know,

Kelsey Harris:

yeah, totally. Um, and, like, I'm kind of, well, we kind of ran down a little bit month one for for therapy and for financial planners, so a little bit for each of the other ones.

Calum McGuigan:

So a month one four I was putting out right now and month one for nutrition is still want to speak avatar, and I don't, I can't remember exactly. I've told my head for a month when you have it 10 simple steps to impact your health, like 10 simple things that you can put in a video format. And there's also an easy vegan curry recipe for under $30. Which is awesome. I'm actually going to be cooking this week. I mean, for me to really be the owner, and be part of this as I continue to evolve. nutrition for me, is probably what I'm most excited about. From all the experience because I'm not confident in the kitchen. Like I'm from Glasgow, Glasgow is the heart disease capital of Europe. I mean, we eat a lot of fried food. That's how we're brought up. And I honestly, like a mom and dad are the best two people I could ever imagine, to my parents, I'm so fortunate. But education to catch on was pretty low. So nutrition is something that I'm really excited about. So there's a vegan curry recipe. And it's super healthy, I'm going to be making that. And then, for me to be part of this community, as I see I have to be vulnerable, I have to say, look, put my hand up here. I'm trying to stay with that as we can. And I'm going to make it so Kelsey, make sure you give a thumbs up. Give me You give me a thumbs up. And life coach month one is about your well being. And there's also like yoga biweekly. And there's also a bunch of different fitness exercises, fitness workouts in the fitness part of the app, which is awesome. So you get like three different exercise three different fitness workouts every month. And over the course of time. Like,

Kelsey Harris:

yeah, cool. The fitness one is cool. I'm actually recovering from a hip surgery right now. So I couldn't actually do and he saw

Calum McGuigan:

that. I saw your crutches behind you there. I didn't want to ask I didn't want to cry.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, so like, so I didn't actually do any of the fitness ones because like i, you actually need both. Yeah. But what I did like about them is they're really similar to the types of exercises that I've been doing all throughout COVID. And I was getting into really good shape from doing like, the another one if it's like body weight, or it's just like very simple dumbbells and stuff that most people have or can Yeah, exactly,

Calum McGuigan:

exactly. They're all they're all 20 minute head workouts. And they're all for the most of them, they're basically five exercises, three rounds of five exercises with 60 seconds, like between rounds, so that all the 20 minute head workouts every month, to our board meeting. And I mean, obviously you're going to work out more than three times, I'm sure three times a month, but month one you can you can take two of the workouts or incorporate one or three of them just pair a week. And then month two, you have these are three completely different workouts. You've also got the three videos from month one to fall back on. So month two, you can already get a mix match table, which is cool, but also a running program and

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, totally. Um, so I'm curious, why did you decide to do it like a whole list? dickly. Like, that's, it's great because I'm really into holistic health and holistic approaches. But But that wouldn't necessarily be most people's go to.

Calum McGuigan:

Well, you know what I mean? When I started to say, quote, this business idea, I did at the very start, I did Paul people's or use a company called Paul fish, we pulled 500 people got lots of market research, say and can lead me down the garden path here because there was no end and the market research holistic how to do it however me personally, it's just how I can relate to how I like to learn. And so maybe you have a selfish sort of look at it. And I just think that so much of so much of well being and is dealt with retro actively and I looked into more As I was purchasing my first house, that's the biggest the biggest investment I will make in my life. And I learned about interest rates on the job as a as a sales rehearsal is crazy, right? nutrition is something I've got to get to grips with. As I've just said, fitness, I got back into Gemini, I was already out of shape and mental health, like, I grew xiety after my first ever in xiety attack, life coaches, this sort of thing that you're going to seek, if you're looking for professional change, or everything's dealt with so retro actively. So the whole purpose of shaping foresters come from a proactive approach, and just on the assumption that a lot of people that are going to want to do this, and are probably going to want to start at the beginning, as well. So it's more of a kind of assumption. I mean, of course, yeah, I guess I could have created a beginner sort, of course, like I met sort, of course and experience our core speech thing. But it just starts to get a bit complicated there. I mean, as a as a startup, let's be honest.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, no, that's totally fair. I think I think that for like a new company, new app, it makes sense, kind of like the one year progression, and then you can kind of how it goes. Right?

Calum McGuigan:

Well, exactly. And and that whole, like thing of seeing how it goes, I was asked by somebody else, like what happens after 12 months? And that's a great question. And that's the sort of thing that I mostly I honestly think that I will put out to the community. Like we have the whole, like social media, and platform and say that as you as you know, and PLC, like where you can then comment on videos of the experts, you can ask them questions, you can cheers, other people's questions, you can kind of be part of topical conversations. So that those polls, I do a poll, every Thursday, I do a Monday motivation post every Monday, all that sort of stuff. So it's a little bit more than just the videos. So come join Next Gen X, didn't it, it should say 2021. And I'll probably pull the community, I'll probably say, Where do you guys want us to go? And do you want to continue to learn from the same experts? Or would you like to see six, or fan or ever completely different industry experts that we bring and start to learn from them as well. And that's the beauty of it like this, as it's not this is 90% complete, but it was 10% that is completely open to interpretation and open to community to to be part of and what direction it goes. And which I think is kind of unique and kind of fun.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, it's great. The whole community aspect of it is really cool. Um, why why did you decide to include the community aspect, because you could have just done this, like

Calum McGuigan:

100%. And I think that, to be honest, and just to just be completely honest with you, I mean, I, I love community, I came from a small town in Glasgow, where everyone in muigai made, everyone knew each other, he'd walk down to tone center, and you know, like three or four different people be impossible to walk through associate high, a few people have played rugby my whole life, massive community aspect there. That's what brought me to Canada came here for a summer 13 years ago at play. So I'm big on community as it as when I was then reading then to like, the ideas of like a membership site and, and what goes with it, there has there as actually this kind of theory, and it's no sounds kind of salesy, and it's, it's far from it. But it has this kind of theory that people come for the expertise of whatever it is that you're you're providing, and they stay for the community. So building a community into as important. And I that kind of goes in, that's part of the principles of how I operate anyway, so it works. It works well. And I just think it's awesome. I think it's great that people welcome for their expertise, because I'm not promoting or talking about it right now. But I'm not like actively promoting as a community and I'm just talking about the six experts you can learn from. When people get inside, I think they actually see there's so much more value to it, you know?

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, totally. Um, like, one of the things I really like about community and why I like that you included is that so my, this podcast caters to the chronic illness community, which tends to be very tight and supportive of each other. And I think that just you know, a lot of connections through Instagram or different Facebook groups gives kind of the same thing that your your app is giving to anybody who wants to go through some personal development is like, hey, we've got this smart, supportive little group who is gonna Yeah, help each other, each other and help each other through it.

Calum McGuigan:

100% and, yeah, I completely agree. And the difference with the one difference I've seen with with shape and foster and the community and they are, what makes a little bit different for community on Facebook, or Instagram is that there's no adverse, there's no adverse, there's no algorithms. When you come into shape and foster, you're purely going to get a and b Surrounded by insane information about the six pillars that we are that we are promoting, you're not going to come in and get our banner ad trying to send you off to some restaurant or something like that. So that is that that's cool. That's because because ads now algorithms, I mean, obviously, it's what it's what, it's what social media is what funds it. Like, it kills it, you know, it kills it, it kills it for me anyway.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, totally. Especially when there's like, just ad after ad, you're like, Oh, geez,

Calum McGuigan:

it's almost like it's almost like one for one nowadays, like you're going through your stories and Instagram. And it's like, a friend story and a friend story and add a friend story and add No, oh, my god. This is brutal. So it's not it's not there's no add to algorithm. So that's one thing that's kind of different. And just again, go back to what I said, myself about not not being great in the kitchen, and I'm going to post some photos, the sort of stuff that that the judge the different recipes in the dice has on there. I mean, he, I think what makes this can occur was that cause Aaron's their exact same thing. There's an opportunity to be vulnerable, you know, there's an opportunity to sort of, say, am I witnessed this week, or I'm going to try this or try this, that didn't really work I'm going to try again, with as a Facebook group, or something, I think, I think, because everyone's kind of on Facebook for 10 different reasons. And maybe they stumble across your page at one point. They're all cold and hot from other conversations. People are a little bit more like the kind of walk on eggshells a wee bit more that that's what I think. But I think there's kind of, there's an opportunity here to come to kind of be vulnerable if you want to. But you can also just completely observe, you don't have to ever comment or ever cheat and you can purely be there to watch the videos, observe other conversations. And that's cool. The other thing that we have is there we have live interviews. So every two weeks, we have a live interview with an expert, if you can't make it in person, so well in person, I say in person, and then en zoom is no in person. If you can't make it on zoom. When it's live. All interviews are recorded and are all available to watch at a later date when it whenever you choose. And that's the theme of the yoga. If you mess you're going to Sunday at 10pm it's in there and it's in the bank and you can you can pull over and you can watch and do your whenever you want. So this cool man pumped very

Kelsey Harris:

cool. Like you said, you get a lot of content more than kind of what you what it seems like you're gonna get when you're going in.

Calum McGuigan:

Yeah, I agree. I mean, it was so what mean, what's your experience been? I appreciate that. You've you've watched Tanya's month one venue and enjoy that the exact same experience I had with her month one.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, so I actually did everybody's month one videos because like you said, it doesn't actually take very long to do so. Yeah, like why not? Um, I I really liked them all. I thought that they all offered different information. That's all kind of complimentary. So like you said, goes back to kind of beginning your roots of everything. I also really liked Jazz's recipe and kind of nutritional tips. I thought those are really the I think having a life coaches really cool on there. Yeah, I think that would be very overlooked.

Calum McGuigan:

100%. And like, I i've never, I've never used a life coach. I've never used life coach. But that was something I thought it was would complement the mental wellness really well. And I think those two programs really do complement each other well. And so yeah, I mean, that's if this is the first time that I've ever I remember learning from a life coach, which is awesome.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, yeah, super cool. And I've listened to podcasts from life coaches, which I really liked. So I was like, very, again, very interested in what the content was gonna be. And you're right, it very much complements like the the mental wellness part. Actually, you say in the I love this. You said this in the welcome video. That, you know, absence of mental illness doesn't equate mental health.

Calum McGuigan:

Yes, yeah. Oh, true. Is that is like one of the I actually read that. And it was a World Health Organization statement from from my phone. It was like a World Health Organization statement from something like 1946. Wow, I'm telling you, I need to dig it up. And I should actually go back, dig up, no hyperlink, but how hyperlink it but it's something like seven years old, which is crazy, because seven years ago, we already realized we knew that. And it's taken into literally the last four or five years for mental health to get back into the public conversation and start to be accepted as something that you can work on. When there's something that you should always be working on.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah.

Calum McGuigan:

But is that not bizarre? I love I love that. I love that, that that fight or that statement as well but it's that like seven years old?

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, that's crazy.

Calum McGuigan:

I know, man, I know, fucking nuts.

Kelsey Harris:

Well, we're finally at a point where like, the stigma, I think is start starting to go down a little bit. So people are more willing to talk about it, which is

Calum McGuigan:

100%, which has been amazing. It's been, I think that there's been such a massive shift in culture, and the last like, five or six years with them, you know, like everyone from your friend is willing to talk about it to like, an NFL player or something who's like the ultimate kind of match or sort of guy. And, yeah, there's definitely a wellness and acceptance like, back in the day that it used to kind of be stuck up, you know, 20 or 30 years ago, it was like, stuck up. And that's no longer accepted anywhere. Yeah. And then it's all it's all about conversation. And we definitely move forward with that, which, which is awesome. And I think that, that is even better timing for this app and shape and foster because, as I said earlier, being vulnerable and stuff. It's just so accepted. And it's going to be even more accepted within this within this app.

Kelsey Harris:

For sure. Another thing that I think is cool is that, you know, someone might come to the app for one reason. So let's say they just they want to work on some, you know, mental health and wellness and kind of, you know, take advantage of the life coaching and the and the therapy programs. But you're gonna see by by just hopping on to another video, so with the nutritionist, the financial planner that there's, you're going to get more out of the way.

Calum McGuigan:

Yep, yep, totally. And you've hit the nail on the head. And like this, this sounds like, this sounds like cliche car salesmen like, oh, God have a column says this. I'll say this all day. But the actual honest truth, about four or five nights ago, I was having dinner with my wife sat down, we've got two kids. So there was probably a lot of noise going on, we're basically shouting each other, I'd like to, we're having a conversation, we're like talking over the kids with a shot. And then my wife was like, a dead month one or their financial expert today, like Shinobu. And my wife was like, that was the one expert I was least interested in. Because she's not into finance. And she just couldn't believe how much she got from it. She was like, a lot of it resonated with her. And that's the Absolute Truth. I think that that people are probably going to be like, Okay, so let's have a look. What's this thing all about? Alright, so I'm interested in a life course, I'm interested in mental wellness, let's just say I'm interested in fitness, adventurous nutrition, but I'm not interested in the other four. But then they're gonna come in, and it's there. It's available, we have access to it. So why not click play? Why not? Why not watch this video for 20 minutes, rather than spend 20 minutes on Instagram today. And you know what you're gonna get, you're gonna, you're gonna like it. I think people we're going to get they're going to leave with more than what they came for.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, yeah, that's what kind of what I found from just playing with it. And, and I would say, like your wife, I was probably least interested in the financial planner, one. You know, I have a financial planner, I kind of But then I also don't really know what's going on with any of my investments, or I'm just like,

Calum McGuigan:

yeah,

Unknown:

same, and, like, so i is good to be able to go an like, okay, now maybe I ca start learning some of thi stuff. So I know what's goin on

Calum McGuigan:

Yeah, exactly. And again, like I'm exact same. And I mean, I keep seeing here the exact same. And that's because like, as I stated earlier, like, I'm on a kind of, I'm continuing my journey here. Like, I think it's important to note that I don't pretend to be like the finished article. Like, I don't pretend that I am. The next Tony Robbins. I'm definitely I'm definitely not like I am. I'm continuing to learn as well. And like that, that I'm the same, like, I have a financial advisor. And I get like stuff through the mail every month, and I open up No, and then they'll look at it and it goes into bed. And I mean, naivety in my part, I'm sure. But I really just trust the guy. And I don't really know about what's going on. So be interested to learn more about finance as well. Yeah.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, totally. And like, so just kind of to wrap up, but like, what, what, how much does this app cost? Because I think that's going to be a big question on everybody's mind right now.

Calum McGuigan:

For sure. And so annually if you if you get in before March, the first and it's founder member pricing, and the annual cost is $289 a year at 280 USD a year, or 29.99 a month So the annual price i essentially 12 months for th price of 10. And then afte March the first it jumps up t 399 USD, and I do know that 21 bucks, there could be a bit o sticker shock there like appreciate it's not completel the cheapest thing in th market. However, the sex exper programs that you're getting, i you were to have all of thes individually, over a shor period of time granted will b returned. Once you Have all thi individually, you're talking t a value of like 10 grand. mean, that's the truth is, so i could be priced higher. But wha I'm wanting here is to is to ge lots of people in, so that w can really create the communit aspect. That's why we've kind o gone have gone for like, a lowe price than the true value a obviously. But granted to nam names, it's still not th cheapest, but the best thing i that there's a free 14 da trial, free 14 day trial, don't want anyone to have to pa money up front and come in, it' not for them. That's not wha I'm all about. It's not how I' wired. And I would never run business that way. So come on have a look and a 14 day fre trial. And if it's not for you then you simply cancel like it's that simple

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, that's for 14 days gives you enough time to kind of go through all the month ones and see exactly

Calum McGuigan:

you get access to all the month once you get to be part you can watch all the videos easily in month one within the 14 days you get to be part of the community a little bit. Can I see the conversations are like, if you want you can you can attend one of the live interviews, do your class, see if it's for you, you know, see if it's a good fit. And if it's something you think you'll get value for. I'm honestly that confident that that people well, that's why there's a 14 day trial because I believe so much and what we're providing the I really do.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, no, I I love the app. I think it's really cool. I think that's definitely, you know, like you said, there, there's a lot of value. Because even if you think just to see, go to 12 therapy sessions, you're spending at least 12 $100 anyway.

Calum McGuigan:

It's crazy. Yeah. 100%. And I mean, the mental, the mental wellness professional, we have tiny to silver. She does like a lot of actual media and stuff she does. She's on like, em, the social in Canada, and like CTV, she does have time, like, her hourly rate is pretty. It's pretty heavy. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. And so yeah, I mean, $209 to access all sexes, people for a year. And you can ask them questions. I mean, what's kind of cool, like someone said to me, they're like, they don't want to go to TD to ask one question, because we're gonna get locked into it for a one hour consultation, we're gonna get absorbed and all that sort of stuff. You can ask, you can take you can ask one question in the app to the financial experience again, answer. That's kind of cool. Yeah. There's even more value there, you know?

Kelsey Harris:

Totally. And is there anything else you kind of want us to know about this app? And

Calum McGuigan:

no, I think I think we've covered absolutely everything. And I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about it. I'm just super grateful that you've genuinely been in there, and you've been active on it. And you've checked out for yourself, and you've enjoyed it. I hope that you continue to enjoy it for the rest of the year. And

Kelsey Harris:

everybody listening, I really like it. Go check out the 14 day free trial like there, but there's no reason not to. And then yeah, you can make the decision later if you you want to keep it or not. But you know, at least give yourself the opportunity to look at it.

Calum McGuigan:

Perfect. Thank you very much. I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you. All right,

Kelsey Harris:

thank you so much for coming on and sharing with us this awesome new app, which you know, will help all the spoony community take better control their self care. And everyone else. Thanks for listening. Until next time, keep making the most of it. Thank you so much for joining me today on the chronically living podcast. If you love this week's podcast, please subscribe, rate and leave a review. Until next week, stay strong.