Chronically Living and how to make the most of it

How Stress and Anxiety Manifest in the Body with special guest Dr. Alex Triendl

November 15, 2020 Kelsey, Dr. Alex Triendl Season 1 Episode 22
Chronically Living and how to make the most of it
How Stress and Anxiety Manifest in the Body with special guest Dr. Alex Triendl
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Chronically Living and how to make the most of it
How Stress and Anxiety Manifest in the Body with special guest Dr. Alex Triendl
Nov 15, 2020 Season 1 Episode 22
Kelsey, Dr. Alex Triendl

This week we're talking about how stress and anxiety manifest in the body because it can take a toll on our physical and mental health. Naturopath Dr. Alex Triendl joins me to explain how this happens, what effects it causes, and how holistic medicine can be helpful.
In this episode we talk about:

  • the 5 modalities of naturopathic medicine
  • physical health problems that stress and anxiety create
  • natural ways to treat these conditions
  • how to take care of your mind and body at home

Guest Bio:

Dr. Triendl, ND, started her naturopathic career working alongside medical doctors in pain management and at a walk-in clinic. Treating a variety of conditions over the years, Alexandra discovered her passion for promoting the connection between the mind and body. Bringing a holistic lens to her patients in need of mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical alignment.
Dr. Triendl, ND, is a licensed member of The College of Naturopaths of Ontario and a member of The Ontario Association of Naturopathic Doctors as well as The Canadian Association of Naturopathic Doctors.

Follow her on Instagram: @dralexnaturopathto
Email: [email protected]

This week's episode is sponsored by Lynear Electronics. If you have fitness equipment that isn't working and you live in the U.S., visit LynearElectronics.com. Their motto is #REPAIRnotREPLACE!

Show Notes Transcript

This week we're talking about how stress and anxiety manifest in the body because it can take a toll on our physical and mental health. Naturopath Dr. Alex Triendl joins me to explain how this happens, what effects it causes, and how holistic medicine can be helpful.
In this episode we talk about:

  • the 5 modalities of naturopathic medicine
  • physical health problems that stress and anxiety create
  • natural ways to treat these conditions
  • how to take care of your mind and body at home

Guest Bio:

Dr. Triendl, ND, started her naturopathic career working alongside medical doctors in pain management and at a walk-in clinic. Treating a variety of conditions over the years, Alexandra discovered her passion for promoting the connection between the mind and body. Bringing a holistic lens to her patients in need of mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical alignment.
Dr. Triendl, ND, is a licensed member of The College of Naturopaths of Ontario and a member of The Ontario Association of Naturopathic Doctors as well as The Canadian Association of Naturopathic Doctors.

Follow her on Instagram: @dralexnaturopathto
Email: [email protected]

This week's episode is sponsored by Lynear Electronics. If you have fitness equipment that isn't working and you live in the U.S., visit LynearElectronics.com. Their motto is #REPAIRnotREPLACE!

Kelsey Harris:

Welcome to the chronically living and how to make the most of it podcast. I'm Kelsey Harris, a chronic pain warrior here to inspire hope and strength to the spoonie community, get ready to lift each other up and find ways to live the best life possible. Hi, everyone. Thanks so much for tuning in this week. My guest today is the fabulous naturopath who has been part of my healthcare team for the past few years. Dr. Alex trendle, thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you for having me. Awesome. Um, so I I absolutely love going to see you. I think that a lot of people don't even think about having a naturopath as as part of their healthcare team. You know, what, what made you interested in holistic medicine and how did your career path begin?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Well, I actually grew up as a child in India. So I actually had a lot of influence of, you know, our Vedic medicine and meditation and just, you know, a richness of cultures and different ways of looking at it. So I think that sort of began and just being exposed to, you know, sort of third world conditions andthe pain and poverty,I think, as a child, I realized, you know, there was a lot of work to be done. So, I think I always had that in mind, I certainly took a windy road, I, you know, I have a BA in art history, and I love art, and you know, so it took me a while to find it. But at 30 I went back to school, and I went to Catholic college and did a four year program. Yeah. So that's kind of how, you know, I sort of decided at 30 that it was time to live my purpose. And, you know,

Kelsey Harris:

I can relate, I can relate I, you know, in my 30s I was like, you know, maybe I should be a therapist,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

you know,and there's,there's a time for everything. And I think maturity and sort of being ready for that, you know, because it's its responsibility, I think, when you choose to do things like that, so it took me a while, but I'm glad Istuck it out. Awesome.

Kelsey Harris:

Um, so a lot of people listening probably have no idea what not to do. Because I think there's a lot of misconceptions out there. So can you give us a kind of a rundown

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Sure. Sure. And there definitely is, there definitely is there's certainly a lot of sort of health professionals out there claiming to be naturopaths, or natural healers, or natural health consultants. I mean, there's just so many titles, but naturopath is a protected title. And it is a title that has the doctor title as well. So that's all very regulated and licensed, we do have to be educated, at least eight years post secondary.And it is a medical program. I mean, I remember doing cadaver labs, you know, it's very intense. So yeah, a naturopath is a licensed professional, it's not just some other title in there, we're, you know, allowed to use that doctor title. So really, we're holistic doctors, you know, we really are treating the mind and body and we're not separating all the systems like they do in traditional medicine, right. So we're saying that all these systems are working together all the time, and they're communicating and connected. So we do have to address the whole person. And that's what we do mental and, and physical, because they're always informing each other. Mm hmm. And separated. So really, you know, medical doctor, just not really using pharmaceuticals. Obviously, in some provinces, you are allowed to prescribe medications as a naturopath. So it's not that we are completely opposed to medication or anything, we definitely work with doctors, generally speaking. And I think there's a place for everyone in the medical field.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

to really work together,you know, so it's, it's too bad that we're, you know, pitted against conventional medicine because that's actually not our stance, right. So yeah, if you are choosing a naturopath, make sure that they're licensed in the province that you're in and, you know, just investigate.

Kelsey Harris:

Right, cool. Awesome. Yeah. You know, to To be honest, I was a little bit skeptical when I first came to see you. You know, I didn't I really didn't have a lot of experience with holistic medicine as you know, most people living in North America and probably Europe as well. Don't really because we get that the traditional Western medicine. But it was actually my rheumatologist who suggested that I go see a naturopath Yeah,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

that's really nice to hear.

Kelsey Harris:

Right. She says apparently some of her other patients had found it beneficial. So she's like, you know, maybe like maybe just go give it a try. And I was like, Okay, and then you were practicing out of the right above where my doctor's office was. So it was, it was really easy for me to get a referral. Exactly. So what kind of health problems do your patients typically come to you with?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Honestly, pretty much pretty much everything. But the main ones are digestion, I think digestion is really big, because we do have a bundle of nerves there. And it is very much informed by people's mental emotional states. So that seems to be a big one. Heart disease, reproductive health skin, lots of skin, right? Some people just, you know, they don't want to just slap on steroids. Immune function, so chronic infections, you know, UTI or colds, or just, you know, that rundown fatigue or the opposite immune, you know, lots of inflammatory conditions, chronic pain, chronic fatigue, burnout, constant headaches, so really anything I mean, it really can help, you know, in any program. So, really, it's, I would have to say, what have I not seen?

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah. So our topic today is how anxiety and stress manifests in the body. So what kind of sold me on the whole naturopath thing was this one, I don't know if you remember this, but this one time, you notice that my liver was inflamed through a nerve in my leg? And I bet you said that I must be angry. And I had been experienced a lot of anger at my ex at the time. And I was just like, I was totally blown away, you're able to detect that just by like touching my leg. So can you just explain that whole thing, first of all?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Sure. And that's one of the modalities that we use. So a naturopaths, use at least five. Okay, so acupuncture, Chinese medicine is one of them. So in that case, that's actually what I was using, I was actually checking pulses. And basically, these points and organs represent different emotional states. And they work along your central nervous system as well. So when we're putting needles into the the body, we're essentially really talking into the nervous system. So that's one way I was able to, you know, determine your emotional blockage. In Chinese medicine, the liver is associated with anger, the lungs are associated with grief, you know, it just goes on. Really quite fascinating. And this type of medicine has been around for 1000s of years.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

That's why we use it in our in our toolbox. So the emotional state has a huge impact. And that's really been forgotten.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, for sure. That's really that's actually really interesting. You mentioned there's five modalities Where did the other four curiosity?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Okay, so there's Chinese medicine, there's herbalism, Mm hmm. Which is great, whichI will be talking about, obviously, vitamins, minerals and supplements, lifestyle counseling, right. So your daily habits really do impact how you feel. And I think people don't really realize when you're on autopilot, how much one little habit it's maybe affecting your life. And also also nutritional and diet counseling.

Kelsey Harris:

Right. Okay. Right,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

we use all of them in different varieties, right? conditions, right? So,

Kelsey Harris:

yeah. So can you tell us what kind of problems anxiety and stress can actually create in our bodies, because we live in a very stressful society and in a very stressful time, so I'm sure more people than not right now are experiencing these problems.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah. And it's hard to watch that those levels are going up. I have a lot of compassion for that. But essentially, when your stress hormones like cortisol and adrenaline are activated, right, if we're in a fight or flight mode, which is our survival mode, everything is on high alert in our bodies, and we're ready to sort of either fight or flee, okay, and that's your nervous system just on all the time. And after a while, those hormones that are circulating in your body are going to start breaking down tissue, and they're going to start creating inflammation as a protective factor, but it ends up destroying, obviously, parts of your body. So inflammatory conditions are actually probably one of the major things I see in terms of anxiety and stress. So it can be anything your joints, your muscles, acid reflux, you know, intestinal problems. Also, chronic stress will shut down the reproductive system. So women, you know, won't be as fertile or they won't be oscillating or they just lose their period completely. You know, so, blood sugar issues, your blood sugar will start to go haywire, chronically as well. fatigue, right? I'm sure we've all noticed when you're really stressed, it actually sucks. Living life out of you. It takes a lot of energy to be on that high alert. And you're depressed that you're, you know, digestion shuts down insomnia, chronic pain, pretty much anything.

Kelsey Harris:

Right?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

I would say inflammation, you know, is probably a good indicator that chronic infections, a weakened immune system, right. So sometimes people will go through small chronic stressors or a major life trauma event, but I find a chronic ones and the, the responsiveness or reactivity to it is what's really causing the most pain in the mind and body. So we have to treat both

Kelsey Harris:

Right,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

right. Yeah.

Kelsey Harris:

So how would you go about treating some of these issues? Yeah,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

I mean, wonderful things, I would say herbalism is is a very strong contender. You know, pharmaceuticals kind of came from her biology, right. And there's really strong herbal combination Herbs that can really heal tissue in general, okay, so they're easy to sort of help acid reflux or even, you know, adrenal burnout, digestion, right. So we're healing tissues, and we're facilitating, we're using things to stimulate, like the immune system amazing Herbes to stimulate the immune system to stay strong, or antiviral or antibacterial, right. It's just not as strong as, you know, a pharmaceutical but it also doesn't have the same kind of side effects, because it's not the body to do anything that it's not meant to be doing.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

It's really gentle approaches that do need, you know, consistent usage to work. But any of these things I've mentioned are all reversible.

Kelsey Harris:

Right. Okay. So what kind of Herbs Do you would you say your most commonly prescribed?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, I would say immune immune Herbeslist them off?

Kelsey Harris:

Or maybe maybe let us know a couple.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, for sure. astragalus is big, huge, huge one. Obviously, echinacea you know, in the market, it's been around for a long time. What else? Lots. Um, that's for me, I would say drinking astragalus tea would probably be you know, really help you throughout. For inflammation. I'm a big fan of cat's claw. Okay, it's a her from the Amazon. It's great for getting rid of bugs in the digestive system or joint pain, fabulous stuff. Milk Thistle, excellent tea, you can drink for detox. You know, if you're feeling anxious lemon balm is amazing. So again, you can do a lot on a budget. And just making them really strong.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, yeah, actually, I because I, you told me to get a bunch of those teas and I have and you can literally get them from the grocery store. Like you don't have to go anywhere special.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

You know, and it's you're not spending hundreds of dollars a month on supplements, but they are effective if you dilute them long enough. But yeah, I would say Herbes are my main and then payments and supplements and then obviously if someone is into acupuncture, they can certainly do weekly visits for that but sometimes really small changes you know, just getting someone else's lens on your life. Because we do in depth intense intakes. And there could just be some things that are really just messing things up. Right you like in one case, I just took out dairy and the person never had allergies again. But that's just one example. Right? Or just in instilling a proper sleep hygiene at night. Okay, now we don't have insomnia. You know, or removing this from your diet, okay, there's no more acid reflux, small things can sometimes just have really big impacts as well. Okay.

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Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, it would be first of all, maybe not exercising two hours before bed because again, that raises your cortisol, which is a stress hormone, I'm also going to bed by 10, because after 10, most people will get a surge of cortisol to get through a second wind, okay, so a lot of people have sleep issues tend to just not are not sort of winding down at a proper time. And their bodies go into overdrive. So I would say those are the two main ones. Obviously, I know it's really hard in this day and age not to watch TV, or, you know, be on our phone. But I think reading or just doing a small meditation, I teach a lot of techniques to reduce muscle tension at night. Okay, the rest of muscle relaxation. So just making an effort to actually care take yourself instead of going into that autopilot, you know, being submerged in entertainment.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

just doesn't work hot baths before. Or you can take a shower and use lavender essential oils, which are great for anxiety, right? lavender tea, you know, just having a ritual at night and really sort of having that discipline, right? To You know, wind things down. But yeah, after 10 o'clock, it can get iffy for some people, because body's natural. Butterfly will kick in.

Kelsey Harris:

Interesting. Okay, so everybody listening, but traditionally, by ten,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

at least go to bed, I can start relaxing, you know, that kind of stuff.

Kelsey Harris:

And then the other thing you mentioned was acupuncture, which I love. But some people are a little wary of it. Can you tell us a bit more about acupuncture?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah. So acupuncture, again, is 1000s of years old. And it follows basically, when we talk about these meridians in your body, they're just like these lines that are going through, which is really your nervous system. And what these needles are doing near these nerves is actually stimulating your body's natural healing. Right. So they're not forcing anything. They're just actually stimulating your body to produce its own bio chemicals for healing. And it's this whole system, you know, that was invented, I certainly can't speak to the intricacy of it. But it's really great for any condition. But I would say that, especially for anxiety, or pain, or anything Nervous System related, it can really regulate it,

Kelsey Harris:

right

Dr. Alex Triendl:

regulator of that, and most of us are in a high alert survival mode.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

So really, for anything, it's really it's an all around great asset to any treatment program. And it is relaxing, it's not painful, as you know, it's quite gentle. An alternative to that would be doing acupressure. So just pressing with, you know, my thumb on the points if people are just not comfortable.

Kelsey Harris:

Right.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Needlesgoing in which as you know, are hair thin. They're not

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah. Yeah. as anybody who is listening who's scared of acupuncture because of the needles there, they don't even look like needles and don't really, if it hurt, you just pull it out right away anyway.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, you know, the body is, you know, we've had so many sessions will pop them right out. Yeah. He doesn't want them in that spot. It's the body talks to me. Do you know it? The body is so intelligent and knows exactly what it needs. So it's just we're just not attuned to listen. Yeah. Like teaching that connection? Because, you know, essentially don't really need anything outside yourself to regulate.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

All the information is there for you to feel good because your natural state is to feel good.

Kelsey Harris:

makes sense to me.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

don't realize that?

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, for sure. The other thing that we usually do what during acupuncture is a meditation. So why the combination of the two,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

I think it's a lovely segue it also as the meditation is, you know, also relaxes the muscles. So it allows you to heal better, right, because we only we heal in a relaxed state. So we have to get everything to open up, relax, muscles, nerves, all of it so that we can, you know, let the body heal itself. Meditation is great. As you know, body scans are good because it gets in your body. And I don't know about you, but you know, most of us are not aware of what is happening inside our bodies. totally true. So

Kelsey Harris:

when I do a body scan apart, like I'll be like focusing like on my hands or something my hands didn't really like I didn't notice them hurting before because I was probably focused on something else. And then I'm like, Whoa, there's like a little pain in like my knuckle or something that, you know, you're not aware of until you focus.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, and the thing about pain or anything really energy or emotion is that it needs to be acknowledged and validated for it to process.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

So if we're ignoring our pain signals to get through our day, whether it's emotional or physical, or or even, you know, we all have sometimes symptoms that we just push through, right, right. But these are important messages for us to be really interested in. And the deeper you go into those sensations, you allow the pain to base essentially dissipate. So all about that somatic therapy, that type of work,

Kelsey Harris:

right? Yeah, exactly. So some people apparently can't meditate. And, you know, it's not so much that they can I think that they're not letting themselves meditate. But can you explain, because everybody that I talked to, I'm like, Oh, you should try meditation. They're like, Oh, I just think too much. You can, you can explain what meditation actually is and consistent.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

So there's different types of meditations. Okay, so you can do meditations that only focus on the breath. Okay. Again, that can be highly frightening to some people, especially with, you know, if there's a huge trauma or PTSD component, it can actually make it worse. And I've certainly seen that right. visualizations are good. But again, they are engaging the mind to visualize, right? So the best form, and the one that I really try to work with people on and very slowly is mindfulness. Which just means observing your thinking from a very non judgmental consciousness because you start to realize that you're not your anxiety, you're not your depression, you're not your feelings or your thoughts, you, you are able to observe them. Right? It says something quite incredible. There's a consciousness behind our experience. And people need to learn how to be in the present moment. Thinking can't go leaning towards the future, or staying in the past. It's your empowerment is always in the present. There's nothing. You know, all your charisma and your likeness is in the present moment. And teaching people to stay present in their bodies, and with what they're focusing on, is, I think one of the greatest gifts you can give yourself.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, I totally, totally agree. I become a huge fan of mindfulness, I find it's very helpful. It was it's been very helpful for for anxiety. Yeah. Because you just can focus and realize what you're thinking and just kind of let it go.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, and not over identify or judge it or get all you know, freaked out it because anxiety really is about future thinking and uncertainty and not trusting yourself. And there's I mean, there's a whole thing with anxiety, it's really a response to trauma. So, you know, it's it's nothing tobe ashamed of, because I think people feel bad about how they feel bad.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

So we need to bring in that non judgmental aspect.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

self compassion, meditations, I'm a huge fan of, because it teaches people how to just you know, be kind,

Kelsey Harris:

right,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

to the thoughts they're having, because we know a lot of the times we're having thoughts and feelings that just make us feel bad.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

And, and so practicing that self compassion as well, and start slow, you know, two minutes starts low. It's, it's not a race. Right. And it does take time, but it's quite, I think it's one of the most impactful things a human being can do for themselves.

Kelsey Harris:

For sure, yeah. Well, and then the The other thing that you mentioned was, sometimes you will prescribe vitamins and supplements. So when what kind of pieces would you do that or what kind of items do vitamins Do you normally prescribe it?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

I mean, again, it really depends on the condition but you know, for a new house, for example, you know, people going into the fall in the fall and winter now, like please take a liquid zinc, you know, take your vitamin C's take your antioxidants, you know, just general vitamin D, things like that, just just supporting your immune system. Right. So and then you know, vitamins in higher doses can really help other conditions, depending depending. So it's really always a combination in general, but you know, magnesium is fantastic for sleeping and anxiety. Right. If we are depressed, you might want to check your bedroom. levels, we're taking the complex nervous system, stuff like that. Yeah.

Kelsey Harris:

Awesome. Some listeners probably can't afford to see a naturopath because it's typically not covered in under any universal health care. And I am and my listeners from the States and stuff as well. So, but what do you have any general tips you can give people?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, for sure. I mean, start again, start small, try to assess your daily habits and try to see what habits are supporting your mental or emotional well being and what are actually sabotaging your efforts to feel good, right, like just taking stock. Deciding, okay, maybe I will try a five minute deep breathing, meditation. There's a lot of free stuff out there, right in terms of addition and apps, there's wonderful apps for all that stuff. And just, you know, understanding that some of the like five tenets of health like sunshine, get out and move, be out in nature, connect with people, even if you don't feel like it, move your body, if you're depressed, right, if you're anxious, take a break and just sit with your breath. Right? Just get in that zone, and just care about how you feel. You know, and I think most of us just kind of do and don't speak to ourselves very nicely, either. And you're gonna get sick, right? So doing anything where you check in with yourself and really analyze the self talk you have, you know, is it kind? Or is it tearing me down? Mm hmm. Right? Am I supporting myself and my nurturing myself in this moment? Or am I working against my natural being that kind of stuff. And again, if you don't have, you know, many funds right now, just if you go to a tea store, loose tea on the internet, whatever, there's, there's so many teas that you can use to help your mood, your sleep, like I mentioned before, so peppermint is great for, you know, IBS symptoms. Lemon balm is great for anxiety, lavender, milk thistle is for your liver detox, there's wonderful anti inflammatory. So again, you don't have to spend a lot of money. You need some help and support these plants and herbs are here on this planet to help us.

Kelsey Harris:

Right.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

They really are your, you know, be a part of it. And, and and use nature as much as you can. Yeah, to help you. Because you are nature. And I think we forget that. That's why, you know, one of the biggest, you know, treatment plans is please get outside every day. I don't care how cold it is, you know, it's just be out there and the fresh air. Hmm. You know, because our bodies respond really well to nature.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah,

Dr. Alex Triendl:

they start resonating. So. So yeah, I would say loose teas are your best bet. Because I do appreciate that supplements are quite expensive. And obviously so seeing a naturopath but, you know, there's so much we can do now.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, for sure. I love that you give some I think you gave some great tips. How do you inspire? How do you inspire your clients to live an amazing life?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, that's a good question. That's a really good question. Um, I think my greatest gift I can give them is teaching them how to be in the present moment. And finding their likeness and their passion and their power because feeling or being ill is disempowerment.

Kelsey Harris:

Mm hmm.

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Right. And so part of my job is to help people find their their power of choice, you know, getting out of the loop, our obsessive, you know, dissociation, actually, like we're just not in our bodies, we're not in the present. And obviously, we don't feel well. Secondly, you know, I think we're sicker than we've ever been.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, as a society, I would definitely say we are

Dr. Alex Triendl:

right, like, just mentally and physically, not well. So I think, I do think one of the major, you know, treatments is that practice being in the present moment, even if it's just five minutes a day and just see how that changes for you. And see how much more powerful you feel or, you know, a lot of issues stem from what we focus on. Know, if your mind is constantly focusing on what you don't want or what you don't like, or illness or just powerlessness, it's it will stay stuck like that. Right? Right. So if you're in the present moment, you can start to choose what you want to focus on and create a better reality for yourself a better feeling a better sensation for yourself. Right. So I think that's probably how I hope I inspire people. I certainly practice what I preach. I don't think it's easy to be human beings. It's very difficult, and it's obviously we're being challenged right now. So it's really time. It's really time to sort of get into our bodies and and really start taking responsibility for our power.

Kelsey Harris:

Yeah, yeah. Love it. Um, where can people reach you if they have questions?

Dr. Alex Triendl:

Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not a big tech tech person, but I do have an Instagram account. So we want to put that up. That's great. A lot of my patients were calling me Dr. Alex. So the handle is Dralexnaturopath to that's on Instagram. Or you can email me at [email protected] Yeah I'm happy to hear from people and and really, you know, hopefully help and educate and just help some people out. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing. Yeah, I love it.

Kelsey Harris:

Great. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us today. Alex. I just I really appreciate it. And thank you everyone for listening for tuning in. As always keep making the most of it. Thank you so much for joining me today on the chronically living podcast. If you love this week's podcast, please subscribe, rate and leave a review. Until next week, stay strong.